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RU[AGA]SZ[19]KM[7.50]TM[7200]OT[5x30 byo-yomi]
GN[U.S. Open, Koh, Juyong vs. Ge, Yongfei,  Round 3, Table 3]PW[Koh, Juyong]PB[Ge, Yongfei]WR[7d]BR[7d]DT[2009-08-04]EV[U.S. Open]RO[3]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]US[Max Peterson]C[mccrusty [1k\]: two canadians?
USGO3 [-\]: Welcome to the American Go E-Journal’s LIVE coverage of the 2009 U.S. Go Congress!  Today we’re bringing you the top boards at the U.S. Open, the Congress 6-round main tournament.   Check the AGA website at www.usgo.org for Congress and tournament updates, including photos and more.  Today’s EJ Team: Chris Garlock, Managing Editor; John Pinkerton, Recording Team Coordinator; Akane Negishi, KGS Admin; Steve Colburn, IT support; Max Peterson, Board 1; Solomon Smilack; Board 2; Matt Luce; Board 3; Max Peterson; Chris Burg, Relief.   Welcome to the 2009 U.S. Open, Round X, Board X. I’m (your name), your game recorder. Enjoy the game!  The 2009 U.S. Go Congress http://www.gocongress.org/ – the 25th annual – is now underway just outside Washington, DC. The top three boards in the U.S. Open are being broadcast LIVE now on KGS http://www.gokgs.com/
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;B[pd]
;W[dc]
;B[dp]
;W[pp]
;B[de]C[USGO3 [-\]: Sorry, forgot to fill in the blank. Max Peterson recording.
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;W[cg]
;B[cc]
;W[gc]C[USGO3 [-\]: G17 was placed rather assertively. 
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;B[db]
;W[cd]
;B[ec]
;W[dd]
;B[ed]
;W[cb]
;B[bd]C[USGO3 [-\]: Juyong nodded at b16
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;W[ce]
;B[cf]
;W[be]
;B[bf]
;W[bc]
;B[df]
;W[ee]C[thekaiser [1d\]: b16 is finally against b
evave [4k\]: this hurts na?
evave [4k\]: f16 ?
]
;B[fd]C[evave [4k\]: it hurts
evave [4k\]: e14 d13 e13 d12 g15 ?
USGO3 [-\]: Juyong Koh is 2-0 in Open.
USGO3 [-\]: Won as white vs. Xingshou Liu in rd1.
evave [4k\]: is this standard joseki?
]
;W[ef]
;B[dg]
;W[eg]
;B[dh]
;W[eh]
;B[ei]C[evave [4k\]: wow :)
eskalation [1k\]: i wonder
USGO3 [-\]: Won as black vs Yuan Zhou rnd 2
]
;W[ge]C[thekaiser [1d\]: f11 huge
USGO3 [-\]: Yongfei Ge is 1-1
]
;B[gd]
;W[hd]C[USGO3 [-\]: Won as black vs. Xilian Liu and lost as white vs.Jie Liang
]
;B[hc]
;W[fe]
;B[ic]C[evave [4k\]: i would  have sac e13 
evave [4k\]: :P
USGO3 [-\]: Juyong Koh just started second cup of coffee.
USGO3 [-\]: Yongfei Ge drinking water.
]
;W[eb]
;B[dj]C[expat [4d?\]: i don't like black's result
BlueBossa [7k\]: how many sugar?
evave [4k\]: its ok
evave [4k\]: j16 
evave [4k\]: f34 bigger mayb
USGO3 [-\]: Didn't see him add sugar. Black.
]
;W[id]
;B[kc]C[BlueBossa [7k\]: :)
sameasyou [2d\]: Yilun Yang also not
evave [4k\]: how to use those stones?
]
;W[fq]
;B[dq]C[expat [4d?\]: d3 excellent, go seigen's recommended answer
expat [4d?\]: when strong on the side
]
;W[iq]
;B[fp]C[evave [4k\]: h5 ?
expat [4d?\]: h5 now?
evave [4k\]: i can :P
expat [4d?\]: :P
expat [4d?\]: w could tenuki here
expat [4d?\]: black wants to make w overconcentrated
expat [4d?\]: maybe w r14 
evave [4k\]: r14  better
]
;W[gp]
;B[go]C[evave [4k\]: y not o17 ?
evave [4k\]: just split b into 2
]
;W[cl]C[evave [4k\]: c8  too much :P
]
;B[hp]C[evave [4k\]: h5 was better
]
;W[gq]
;B[cn]
;W[bn]
;B[bo]C[expat [4d?\]: this looks a bit risky for w
]
;W[dn]
;B[cm]C[evave [4k\]: lol
evave [4k\]: but looking ok now ...
]
;W[dm]
;B[dl]C[evave [4k\]: d9 ?
USGO3 [-\]: Any other guesses?
]
;W[bl]
;B[bm]
;W[co]
;B[an]C[evave [4k\]: e8 d9 f5  also good
]
;W[fo]C[USGO3 [-\]: Juyong Koh has left room.
cjalden [2k\]: no problem - evave can step in and take over
USGO3 [-\]: Any guesses on black's response?
cjalden [2k\]: kyus will say, how can it not be e4?
eskalation [1k\]: i wonder if black will simply E4
eskalation [1k\]: ;)
evave [4k\]: ohh ..thanks for inviting me . but im on reverse side of timezones :P
expat [4d?\]: atari once at f6 then play r6?
USGO3 [-\]: Interesting answers, but noone's got it.
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;B[el]C[evave [4k\]: haha
evave [4k\]: oops ... w gote now?
USGO3 [-\]: Juyong Koh has returned.
]
;W[ho]
;B[gn]C[evave [4k\]: o16 
]
;W[qf]C[evave [4k\]: i still don get it .. y not seperate b
USGO3 [-\]: Juyong Koh shook his head, sighed, and got 3rd cup of coffee.
]
;B[pg]
;W[pf]
;B[io]C[evave [4k\]: yay
]
;W[og]
;B[hn]
;W[jq]
;B[nd]C[evave [4k\]: e4  was worse than k3 ?
USGO3 [-\]: If he considered it, that was evidently the judgement.
cjalden [2k\]: more useful to try to understand why their moves are good than speculating why they are bad  :-)
evave [4k\]: ^^ one n the same aint it?
]
;W[qn]C[cjalden [2k\]: no, quite the opposite
bsaltman [3k\]: e4 sente?
evave [4k\]: no
bsaltman [3k\]: q2?
evave [4k\]: hmmm ... i can never think of q2 .. hard move :(
USGO3 [-\]: Any last guesses before I reveal black's play?
evave [4k\]: n4 better i feel
expat [4d?\]: r7? :P
]
;B[pm]C[evave [4k\]: close
USGO3 [-\]: Close
evave [4k\]: so close
evave [4k\]: but diff ideas :P
USGO3 [-\]: Yongfei left room.
freddygo [5k\]: hes a procrastinator :P
freddygo [5k\]: like me
USGO3 [-\]: Well, he's already played, plus he drank a lot of water. :)
]
;W[qm]
;B[pk]C[USGO3 [-\]: Yongfei back and played response instantly.
]
;W[qc]
;B[qd]
;W[rd]
;B[pc]
;W[rb]
;B[qb]
;W[rc]
;B[or]C[USGO3 [-\]: Close to the q2 suggestion earlier.
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;W[pq]
;B[lq]
;W[ep]
;B[do]C[yithril [2d\]: o7?
]
;W[er]C[yithril [2d\]: ok fine...make your group live
]
;B[kr]
;W[jo]
;B[jr]
;W[ir]
;B[lo]
;W[jn]
;B[qr]
;W[pr]
;B[ps]
;W[qq]
;B[sr]
;AE[sr]AB[rr]
;W[pl]
;B[ol]
;W[ql]
;B[jl]
;W[dr]
;B[cr]
;W[fs]
;B[nk]
;W[jc]
;B[jb]
;W[jd]
;B[qk]
;W[rq]
;B[qg]
;W[rg]
;B[rh]
;W[rf]
;B[oh]
;W[nh]
;B[ph]
;W[ni]
;B[pn]
;W[po]
;B[rl]
;W[rm]
;B[rj]
;W[oj]
;B[ok]
;W[nn]
;B[nq]C[expat [4d?\]: these guys are playing a lot quicker than the players in the EGC
]
;W[qi]
;B[pi]
;W[pj]
;B[qj]
;W[sh]
;B[ri]
;W[om]C[USGO3 [-\]: White has about 1:07 left and black 1:16
]
;B[jh]
;W[of]
;B[lb]
;W[ld]
;B[pb]
;W[mc]
;B[mb]
;W[nc]
;B[nb]
;W[oc]C[USGO3 [-\]: Yongfei didn't appear to be expecting p17.
]
;B[od]
;W[ob]
;B[kd]
;W[ke]
;B[le]
;W[me]
;B[lf]
;W[md]
;B[mf]
;W[ne]
;B[oa]
;W[lc]
;B[kb]
;W[kf]C[mitora [6k\]: wasn't N16 better than N14? since both are gote for black anyway
mitora [6k\]: M14 not N14*
]
;B[kg]C[USGO3 [-\]: You might find a strong player to ask, as Kerwin analysis probably won't go this far.
]
;W[if]
;B[gb]
;W[fb]
;B[ga]C[mitora [6k\]: I cannot see how it can was better for black not to take 4 stones at P18... any insight from strong players?
]
;W[lg]
;B[lh]
;W[mg]
;B[hh]C[mitora [6k\]: nm, I can see it right now ^^
]
;W[fi]
;B[gi]
;W[ej]
;B[di]C[Luffyop [2k\]: j 7
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;W[fh]
;B[fj]
;W[gj]
;B[fk]C[about4d: J11
]
;W[im]C[USGO3 [-\]: Luffyop makes first correct guess of the game!
Luffyop [2k\]: lol 
Luffyop [2k\]: =)
]
;B[hk]
;W[sr]C[tornemhi [1d\]: gomu gomu go
tornemhi [1d\]: :D
]
;B[kp]C[Luffyop [2k\]: yop=)
]
;W[jp]
;B[fn]
;W[mp]
;B[mr]
;W[jg]
;B[kh]
;W[hg]C[Luffyop [2k\]: what is the time ?
USGO3 [-\]: Black has 0:59
USGO3 [-\]: White 0:44
]
;B[gh]
;W[gg]
;B[ih]C[shoutan [?\]: USGO3, how many games live this morning?
shoutan [?\]: or they are finished
USGO3 [-\]: 3
shoutan [?\]: oh...
USGO3 [-\]: Game 2 is done.
shoutan [?\]: I see
USGO3 [-\]: Sorry, board 2
shoutan [?\]: just a little confused, why not live more games like first day or yesterday?
]
;W[il]C[USGO3 [-\]: We had an extra person yesterday. Present plan is just 3 boards each day as far as I know.
]
;B[ik]
;W[kl]
;B[kk]
;W[jm]
;B[jk]
;W[af]
;B[ag]
;W[ae]
;B[bg]C[Luffyop [2k\]: i think white will soon play M 4 
Luffyop [2k\]: M8 M9 M4
]
;W[cs]
;B[br]
;W[sl]
;B[nm]C[Luffyop [2k\]: n7
USGO3 [-\]: For white? Letting q7 stones get away?
Luffyop [2k\]: yes for cut M4 after 
Luffyop [2k\]: but i am 7dan =) 
USGO3 [-\]: Ok, We shall see.
]
;W[oo]
;B[mm]C[Luffyop [2k\]: =) 
]
;W[oi]
;B[qh]
;W[ll]C[USGO3 [-\]: White seems to be aiming for group on right.
Luffyop [2k\]: and on the bottom at the same time =)
Luffyop [2k\]: is it totally alive N2 ?
]
;B[mj]C[USGO3 [-\]: Question for audience. What do you think the score is if nothing major dies? No fair using SE.
jonah [7k\]: +20 b
USGO3 [-\]: Don't forget komi.
jonah [7k\]: ok +12 b
monk316 [1k\]: 70 to 73
Luffyop [2k\]: what is SE ?
EricSu [2d\]: score estmate
USGO3 [-\]: SE way off in seeing what's alive right now.
]
;W[mn]C[derp [1k\]: seems close, maybe w by a couple
EricSu [2d\]: SE says the bottom white is dead and the top black is ddad
]
;B[lm]
;W[km]
;B[ln]C[derp [1k\]: s1
Luffyop [2k\]: i bet on white =)
USGO3 [-\]: Yongfei has left the room and Juyong is shaking his head and muttering.
monk316 [1k\]: your play by play is awesome
USGO3 [-\]: Thanks.
USGO3 [-\]: Yongfei back.
Luffyop [2k\]: yeah it s true thx so much
KillerMonk [4d\]: I count black at  52@ center and left,  4-5 @ the bottom , 1 @ right , 7 @ the top, so 64-65 for black 
]
;W[rs]
;B[ds]C[USGO3 [-\]: White takes the cash
derp [1k\]: o4 now
]
;W[gr]
;B[mo]
;W[np]
;B[no]
;W[on]C[derp [1k\]: err, something like that
about4d: w+ 3 on the board from my counting
about4d: (52 vs55 )
KillerMonk [4d\]: white has 41-42@top , 16 @bottom right,  and 2-3 @the bottom, plus 7 komi so 67 for white 
]
;B[rk]C[about4d: all is all i get w+8,5, you?
]
;W[mi]
;B[li]
;W[lk]
;B[lj]
;W[es]C[about4d: a bit less,hmm
]
;B[bs]
;W[fa]
;B[hb]C[KillerMonk [4d\]: I get white by 1-2
Luffyop [2k\]: i think white win by few
about4d: that's for sure, now the bet is too know by how much :p
USGO3 [-\]: Ok, guesses run from black +12 to white +8.5
Luffyop [2k\]: white+2.5
Luffyop [2k\]: what s the komi ?
USGO3 [-\]: 7.5
]
;W[hm]
;B[gm]
;W[hl]
;B[gl]C[USGO3 [-\]: You can hit options- rules to check.
]
;W[eo]
;B[en]C[about4d: S19 really big
]
;W[eq]C[Luffyop [2k\]: bigger than E5
]
;B[ra]C[derp [1k\]: both 2+ pts, I think
USGO3 [-\]: Luffyop, guess you're ready for the top boards yourself. ;)
about4d: no derp
about4d: as white can't grant T18
derp [1k\]: okay
]
;W[js]C[Luffyop [2k\]: i am horrible in yosé ...
]
;B[ks]
;W[is]
;B[sk]
;W[sm]
;B[si]
;W[sg]
;B[hq]
;W[hr]C[USGO3 [-\]: Commentary may lapse as yose hard to keep track of sometimes.
]
;B[mh]
;W[ng]
;B[ig]
;W[jf]
;B[oe]
;W[nf]
;B[qe]C[about4d: we all read the yose thru already anyway, haven't we ? ;)
]
;W[re]
;B[ml]C[Luffyop [2k\]: R1
about4d: looks very closed as you called it, killermonk
]
;W[qs]
;B[os]C[USGO3 [-\]: White now in biyo-yomi
USGO3 [-\]: Sorry, 10 minutes basic time.
]
;W[mq]
;B[oq]
;W[op]
;B[kq]
;W[sb]
;B[na]
;W[lp]
;B[ko]
;W[ip]
;B[ho]
;W[ds]C[derp [1k\]: jigo?
derp [1k\]: I'm not sure of the rules with dame filling though..
Luffyop [2k\]: no jigo komi of 7.5
derp [1k\]: well, b will win the tie
]
;B[mk]
;W[sa]
;B[qa]
;W[pe]
;B[pa]
;W[in]
;B[nj]
;W[kn]C[about4d: SE says my guess was correct :p
shoutan [?\]: 72 vs 56
]
;B[]
;W[]C[USGO3 [-\]: Counting.
Luffyop [2k\]: are the stones count 2 ?
derp [1k\]: no, w+1
ethanb [2d?\]: 79.5 to 66, I think
about4d: less of a gap
freekevin [13k\]: are they playing via kgs or in real life ?
ethanb [2d?\]: maybe I counted something twice then :P
fairgo1 [1k\]: real life
USGO3 [-\]: B+ 0.5
fairgo1 [1k\]: nice
Luffyop [2k\]: wwwwwwooooooowwww
USGO3 [-\]: Don't understand difference from SE
Luffyop [2k\]: lol
fairgo1 [1k\]: SE is unreliable in AGA counting games
Luffyop [2k\]: it was a very nice game 
USGO3 [-\]: Soirry, W +0.5
about4d: aw
Yoseki [3k\]: ING rules
fairgo1 [1k\]: lol
fairgo1 [1k\]: i thought 
derp [1k\]: if you view offline and score, it's correct
xio [7k\]: double lol
TheShadow [-\]: AGA rules
fairgo1 [1k\]: ING rules was for NAIM?
TheShadow [-\]: yea Juyong
TheShadow [-\]: yes, fairgo
seanpu [3d\]: that Korean is really strong
TheShadow [-\]: lol
USGO3 [-\]: Ing rules for NAIM
fairgo1 [1k\]: he lives in canada though :|
USGO3 [-\]: Thanks for watchng everyone. NAIM at 6:30 pm.
fairgo1 [1k\]: thx USGO3
KillerMonk [4d\]: thx gg both players 
TheShadow [-\]: they're both Canadian
USGO3 [-\]: Closing down now.  Board one still going, but pausing for lunch.
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